Wenger's lack of spending

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Wenger's lack of spending

Postby The Fabster » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:33 pm

Why? Why? WHY?!!!

Does Wenger not like spending money? It's all well when we don't need players but at the moment we do and any thick soul can see we do.

We need a bit of quality injected in the squad and we have 70m lying around. It's ok to do a bit of bargaining when we're in dept and have a new stadium coming up on the horizon but the point of a transfer budget is to invest it. Transfer budget is money the club can afford to lose, because it's making money in other areas so that money is left for Arsene to spend?

So why the fuck will the tight git not spend? The money will just be left there to rot. It's alright when the squad spirit is fine but if we miss out on the title next season I think a top quality player will really improve morale in the dressing room. Will give the players a bit of a boost and be beneficial to the club.

I'm not saying we go out and do a Ferguson and do a Veron. No, that would be pointless spending and Arsene is actually quite a good judge of talent so I want to see him couple that with money to spend. And if he gives me that bullshit of there not being a player he thinks will suit Arsenal or that we don't need anyone then I will high a top quality, professional hitman to be done with the tight git. It's quite clear that neither statements are true.

We are dying for some depth and quality. Upfront, Ade is on and off and we need some quality on the left. I refuse to put my faith in Tomas and Diaby is shite. If we move Hleb to the left, I never want to see Theo on the wings again when he quite clearly better up front and once again, Eboue is shit.

So, when it's clear to pretty much everyone that we are gasping for some real quality why does it fail to penetrate the skull of that thick man? Why? Does he gain some sort of satisfaction in seeing the club suffer whilst he checks if his gambles are paying off? Does he not care about the club? Does he have some aversion to spending money? Does he not enjoy spending money? I honestly think there's some sort of mental block and Wenger go see a shrink.

It's not about spending money aimlessly, it's about spending money on the right people. If Wenger can't do it, then I'm worried. United spend money on Carrick. They won the league. United spent money on Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves and Tevez and they're going to win the league.

Jeffers and Reyes have been flops, so Wenger needs to put his magical scouting skills and shift his sights. I realize everything Arsene says needs to be taken with a pinch of salt but if he really thinks that our squad does not need strengthening in the summer then there is something wrong with his head.

I personally, will blame Arsene if we fuck up the title. Yes, you can say we can blame the players but can we really? They have worked their bollocks off all season and need the occasional breather to perform at their best. Problem is, we have no one of sufficient quality to replace them with. And that is Arsene's fault. He let one of our most versatile players go and then did not strengthen.

Look at United and Chelsea. At RB they have cover in Ferreira, Essien and Brown. We have Hoyte and Eboue....

So once again, can someone just please explain to me why Arsene refuses to spend money? If they can give me a rational, logical explanation then I will gladly withdraw the majority of my criticisms.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate what Arsene has done for us and how good a manager he is but he has had a lot of luck and we have had to see the same mistakes being made again and again and it really frustrates me.
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Postby AFC_14 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:37 pm

The problem with buying players is that we are most likely to buy foreigners and with the whole talk about us havin too many foreingers in the team may be affected even more. I guess we could buy a english player... but what english players are that good to come into our squad?
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Postby Da Silva » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:46 pm

To me its simple why he does not spend money, IMO i think Wenger believes he has the perfect team, a team that he has transformed and he has so much faith in them that he believed there was no need to spend money during the window, he thought that his players would play the 2nd half of the season like the played the 1st half of the season and was he right??? :roll:
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Postby The Fabster » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:46 pm

AFC_14 wrote:The problem with buying players is that we are most likely to buy foreigners and with the whole talk about us havin too many foreingers in the team may be affected even more. I guess we could buy a english player... but what english players are that good to come into our squad?
Gerrard has been pants this season, so has lampard,terry and so on...


Doubt it. Platini has been giving us shit since for ever about stopping us buying young foreign talent but that didn't stop Arsene from buying that 15 year old Spanish kid.
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Postby AFC_14 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:51 pm

The Fabster wrote:
AFC_14 wrote:The problem with buying players is that we are most likely to buy foreigners and with the whole talk about us havin too many foreingers in the team may be affected even more. I guess we could buy a english player... but what english players are that good to come into our squad?
Gerrard has been pants this season, so has lampard,terry and so on...


Doubt it. Platini has been giving us shit since for ever about stopping us buying young foreign talent but that didn't stop Arsene from buying that 15 year old Spanish kid.


Yes i agree with u... at the end of the day, this whole situation got bought up coz england lost their place in euro 2008. And they tried blaming us for it!! What on earth is wrong with society these days?? its not our fault that english players are shite... (no offence to anyone)
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Postby The Fabster » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:53 pm

Da Silva wrote:To me its simple why he does not spend money, IMO i think Wenger believes he has the perfect team, a team that he has transformed and he has so much faith in them that he believed there was no need to spend money during the window, he thought that his players would play the 2nd half of the season like the played the 1st half of the season and was he right??? :roll:


Not really....

I'd say in terms of football we were not all that great in the second half. We were better in the early stages of the first half.

Then stubbornness is the problem. If he truly believes this squad is strong enough, he's deluding himself. We'll suffer the same thing next season. Wonderful start and will then fuck it up. We are no where near as strong enough to win the league.

Wenger promised that he would not bring any more faces in at January and he didn't. Now, I'm scared as fuck he will do the same in the summer.

However, he also promised us some top quality signings in the summer. We got them but not in the expected form. I am quite happy with Dudu and Sagna.

I'll be quite happy with more of that but I can't see that happening. I think Wenger likes proving critics wrong in terms of his squad not having the depth and experience of going all the way. There is no way the current squad can make it through a whole season.
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Postby Da Silva » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:57 pm

The Fabster wrote:
Da Silva wrote:To me its simple why he does not spend money, IMO i think Wenger believes he has the perfect team, a team that he has transformed and he has so much faith in them that he believed there was no need to spend money during the window, he thought that his players would play the 2nd half of the season like the played the 1st half of the season and was he right??? :roll:


Not really....

I'd say in terms of football we were not all that great in the second half. We were better in the early stages of the first half.

Then stubbornness is the problem. If he truly believes this squad is strong enough, he's deluding himself. We'll suffer the same thing next season. Wonderful start and will then f**k it up. We are no where near as strong enough to win the league.

Wenger promised that he would not bring any more faces in at January and he didn't. Now, I'm scared as f**k he will do the same in the summer.

However, he also promised us some top quality signings in the summer. We got them but not in the expected form. I am quite happy with Dudu and Sagna.

I'll be quite happy with more of that but I can't see that happening. I think Wenger likes proving critics wrong in terms of his squad not having the depth and experience of going all the way. There is no way the current squad can make it through a whole season.
That was exactly what i meant in my first post.
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Postby wizza » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:00 pm

No manager can tell exactly how the season will go, we did really well the first part of the season and Wenger must have made decision based on form, rather then changing and disrupting the team around, he showed faith and confidence in his team. They proved so many people wrong this season but some people just look for one little part to downgrade a whole season.

Arsenal can spend 70 million and end up in the same position and lose more then two games and draw more then we have. The reason I respect Wenger as a manager is because he has showed that there are other ways of getting big players then spending 70 million.
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Postby Hussy » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:04 pm

i give u a reason why wenger dont spend big.

because if he spends big and the player is a flop and arsenal arent doing well, it makes him look bad

Clever man if you ask me, i respect him alot, but he is clever

I just urge him to make some big name signings
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Postby Da Silva » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:12 pm

Hussy wrote:i give u a reason why wenger dont spend big.

because if he spends big and the player is a flop and arsenal arent doing well, it makes him look bad

Clever man if you ask me, i respect him alot, but he is clever

I just urge him to make some big name signings

That is what gaffer said and if its right i would be very disapointed and it would show that he's selfish doesnt want to risk putting his neck on the line for the chance of Arsenal to have success!...but a part of me is telling me AW wouldnt do think in that kind of way.
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Postby hutchy08 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:14 pm

round and round in circles!
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Postby The Fabster » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:14 pm

GAFFER wrote:Ive been thinking about this a lot myself and cant come up with a reasonable excuse?

Are the board being 100% honest with us that money is available?

Wenger was reported as being frustrated by lack of transfer funds and smarting at the departure of good friend David Dein. But yet a few weeks after that report PHW came out and said that Wenger didnt spend the all the money he was given in the summer and that if Wenger wanted the cash for a player the board would give him the money regardless of the amount. So it seems that there is different reports coming out of the Arsenal camp.

I though the idea of us moving to a new stadium was to give us more power in the transfer market? No sign of that so far....

Personally I feel that its Wengers decision not to spend BIG as he plays safe. If you go out and spend £20m or £30m on a player who then turns out to be a flop then its you're head as the manager. Add to that not winning anything then spending loads of money and not winning anything and its you're job thats on the line.

Wenger is playing it safe. He makes money for the board so they are happy, He never spends BIG on a player so he cant get the flack if they turn out to be a flop.

Lets face it whenever Wenger has spent big before they have not really set the world on fire. His main talent is developing players and making them better then what they were. But this can be a long term process and its been a few years (2005) since Wenger won anything.

The fans now want Wenger to spend big. The board are telling us that there is 70m if Wenger wants it. Arsenal are now in the top 5 ranked richest clubs in the world. I feel its about time they started to spend it rather then keeping the board members happy and rich. Lets them give something back to the fans who pay a large amount of there money towards the club.

But maybe Wenger is on a % of the income the club makes? He has a master's degree in Economics remember.


Yeah, reckon Reyes and Jeffers have scarred him. But neither were really proven. To be honest, I don't want Wenger to go out and spend money on the likes of Nani and Anderson as we have no idea how they'd turn out and would they have been reliable back ups?

But someone like Torres who was a proven striker... Why not go for him?

As you would say Gaf "If you don't buy a ticket, you won't win the lotto"

Every transfer you make is a risk. In fact, I'd say buying Eduardo was a bigger risk than if he had bought Torres. 9m isn't a lot of money but neither is it small and people were crying for some class after Titi left. If he had flopped, people would say he wasted 9m on crap when he should've spent big on a good player.

The club make 3m per game, I would really like to see that money being put to good use.

If Wenger can take the risk of signing Dudu and Theo, then he should have no problem with signing someone like Torres, so why wouldn't?

Cause we don't need him? Bullshit. Everything can be improved. If your PS2 has been running reliably for several years and you were offered the chance to buy a PS3 you still would, wouldn't you? Why? Because one is in a different class and would make your life so much better, even if you already have a reliable console.
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Postby hutchy08 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:19 pm

this isnt football manager you dont ship players in and out !!!

where is a player gonna come in a gain a starting berth

fuckin nowhere!!!!!!!!!! please help me PLEASE!!!!!

your mainly talking about wanting a forward to replace ade, you dont sell you top goalscorer

im not sureif its a foreign thing, but i dont kno if some of you realise how highly rated adebayor is and how popular he is with the grove faithfull!

so if not ade then maybe tomas....but he would have to be sold before we replaced him as its not feasable to have a player of his ability on the bench as he wouldnt accept it !

so where! nowhere!
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Postby hutchy08 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:26 pm

please can someone tell me how much you want him to spend, and on which player so i can then tell you why it can, wont and shouldnt happen please
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Postby The Fabster » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:39 pm

hutchy08 wrote:please can someone tell me how much you want him to spend, and on which player so i can then tell you why it can, wont and shouldnt happen please


Wenger has the benefit of a global scouting system. We don't. A few Sagna like signings will suffice for me though. That Perrin bloke perhaps? Modric, Schweinsteiger

And don't say that X will not appreciate being left on the bench. United have Scholes, Hargreaves, Anderson and Carrick at CM. You just need to find the right balance between experience and youth. And if a player like Rosicky is not willing to fight for his place after taking our money for spending all his time on the recovery table then I don't want him.
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